老农民普及健康篇-水是最好的药

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也可以喝点感冒冲剂,一般分风寒和病毒性两种.
这几天天气有点变化,估计是风寒.再吃点Vc银翘片，喉咙痛可以吃点金嗓子喉宝。早点好起来啊，呵呵。

风寒？
医学研究告诉我们，感冒同气温无关

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这本书作者没有进行过正规的医学研究，他的观点也没有被医学界接受过
找到一段另一位医生对他的质疑

Batmanghelidj claimed that he did more than 20 years of full-time research and that his findings achieved worldwide acclaim. His Web site states that he "has presented his findings at several international and world conferences, and they have been published and peer-reviewed in a number of scientific journals." [4] However, the world's largest medical research database (Medline) lists only two entries for "Batmanghelidj." The first is a 3-page editorial, "A New and Natural Method of Treatment of Peptic Ulcer Disease," which was published in 1983 the Journal of Clinical Gastroenterology [6]. The other, titled "Pain: A Need for Paradigm Change, reflects a lecture he gave in Greece in 1987 that was published in Anticancer Research [7].
Neither of these documents would be appropriately described as a research report. The first one states that from November 1979 through May 1982, while imprisoned in Iran, he treated over 3,000 fellow prisoners with "ulcer symptoms" and was able to follow the progress of about 600 of them with information "from guards, physicians in charge of other sections, and chance meetings or messages received." The second paper presents no additional data but contains a "theoretical discussion" of why he believes "water deficiency" is a major cause of disease.
In an interview published on his Web site, Batmanghelidj stated that the British journal Lancet rejected a report he sent about treating ulcers with water, but the report was published in an Iranian medical journal. (This journal is not indexed in Medline.) No respectable journal would even consider publishing the type of data Batmanghelidj claimed to have accumulated. Although he claimed to have treated people with ulcers, he conducted no x-ray examinations or other tests to confirm any such diagnosis. Moreover, reliable conclusions about effectiveness cannot be drawn from a haphazard collection of tidbits from about 20% of one's former patients. Although heartburn can sometimes be relieved by drinking water, there is no logical reason to believe that water can heal ulcers or do various other things that Batmanghelidj claims to have observed during his prison stay. Nor is there any logical reason to conclude—as he does—that the stomach pain or any other problem reported by the prisoners was due to "water deficiency." [5]
Even if his prison experience were considered research, nothing I have seen indicated that he has done any research since his release from prison in 1982. The 1992 edition of Your Body's Many Cries for Water states that he had done "12 years of clinical and scientific research," and he updates this figure as the years go by. But as far as I can tell, he has not described any data acquired since he emigrated to the United States in 1982.
Curious about whether Batmanghelidj has ever practiced medicine in the United States, I searched several databases. The 1986 AMA Physicians' Directory and AMA's current "Doctor Finder," which list all physicians licensed in the United States, do not mention him. Nor do the states of Pennsylvania or Virginia list him as being licensed within the past ten years. I did learn that he was registered as a naturopath in the District of Columbia, but I do not know whether he has used this registration to see patients.
Batmanghelidj's states that his foundation's "researched views" were self-published an annual volume under the title "Science in Medicine Simplified" in 1989, 1990, and 1991. I have seen no mention of these reports in medical publication or on any science-based Web site. The foundation's 1999 tax return listed $1,930 in cash as its only asset.

Unanswered Questions

The above observations raise the following questions:

• Did Dr. Batmanghelidj do any patient-based research since 1982? If so, where are the data?
• Did he examine or treat any patients in the United States? If so, where are his findings?
• Did he practice medicine in the United States? If so, when and where was he licensed?
• Why didn't the biographical sketches in his books and Web site provide a clear description of how he spent his time since coming to the United States? Did his "research" since arriving here include anything more than reading journal articles, processing mail from readers of his books, and spinning fantasies about his biochemical theories?
• What was the basis of his claim that "his discovery has helped hundreds of thousands of people suffering from a variety of pains and degenerative diseases regain their health"? (Over a 20-year period, that would be nearly 200 per week. How could he receive such reports? How could he check whether they were credible?
• If his research claims were exaggerated, should anyone trust anything else that he said?

[老农民]

风寒？
医学研究告诉我们，感冒同气温无关

要不你给大家讲讲感冒原因？

[老农民]

这本书作者没有进行过正规的医学研究，他的观点也没有被医学界接受过
找到一段另一位医生对他的质疑

Batmanghelidj claimed that he did more than 20 years of full-time research and that his findings achieved worldwide acclaim. His Web site states that he "has presented his findings at several international and world conferences, and they have been published and peer-reviewed in a number of scientific journals." [4] However, the world's largest medical research database (Medline) lists only two entries for "Batmanghelidj." The first is a 3-page editorial, "A New and Natural Method of Treatment of Peptic Ulcer Disease," which was published in 1983 the Journal of Clinical Gastroenterology [6]. The other, titled "Pain: A Need for Paradigm Change, reflects a lecture he gave in Greece in 1987 that was published in Anticancer Research [7].
Neither of these documents would be appropriately described as a research report. The first one states that from November 1979 through May 1982, while imprisoned in Iran, he treated over 3,000 fellow prisoners with "ulcer symptoms" and was able to follow the progress of about 600 of them with information "from guards, physicians in charge of other sections, and chance meetings or messages received." The second paper presents no additional data but contains a "theoretical discussion" of why he believes "water deficiency" is a major cause of disease.
In an interview published on his Web site, Batmanghelidj stated that the British journal Lancet rejected a report he sent about treating ulcers with water, but the report was published in an Iranian medical journal. (This journal is not indexed in Medline.) No respectable journal would even consider publishing the type of data Batmanghelidj claimed to have accumulated. Although he claimed to have treated people with ulcers, he conducted no x-ray examinations or other tests to confirm any such diagnosis. Moreover, reliable conclusions about effectiveness cannot be drawn from a haphazard collection of tidbits from about 20% of one's former patients. Although heartburn can sometimes be relieved by drinking water, there is no logical reason to believe that water can heal ulcers or do various other things that Batmanghelidj claims to have observed during his prison stay. Nor is there any logical reason to conclude—as he does—that the stomach pain or any other problem reported by the prisoners was due to "water deficiency." [5]
Even if his prison experience were considered research, nothing I have seen indicated that he has done any research since his release from prison in 1982. The 1992 edition of Your Body's Many Cries for Water states that he had done "12 years of clinical and scientific research," and he updates this figure as the years go by. But as far as I can tell, he has not described any data acquired since he emigrated to the United States in 1982.
Curious about whether Batmanghelidj has ever practiced medicine in the United States, I searched several databases. The 1986 AMA Physicians' Directory and AMA's current "Doctor Finder," which list all physicians licensed in the United States, do not mention him. Nor do the states of Pennsylvania or Virginia list him as being licensed within the past ten years. I did learn that he was registered as a naturopath in the District of Columbia, but I do not know whether he has used this registration to see patients.
Batmanghelidj's states that his foundation's "researched views" were self-published an annual volume under the title "Science in Medicine Simplified" in 1989, 1990, and 1991. I have seen no mention of these reports in medical publication or on any science-based Web site. The foundation's 1999 tax return listed $1,930 in cash as its only asset.

Unanswered Questions

The above observations raise the following questions:

• Did Dr. Batmanghelidj do any patient-based research since 1982? If so, where are the data?
• Did he examine or treat any patients in the United States? If so, where are his findings?
• Did he practice medicine in the United States? If so, when and where was he licensed?
• Why didn't the biographical sketches in his books and Web site provide a clear description of how he spent his time since coming to the United States? Did his "research" since arriving here include anything more than reading journal articles, processing mail from readers of his books, and spinning fantasies about his biochemical theories?
• What was the basis of his claim that "his discovery has helped hundreds of thousands of people suffering from a variety of pains and degenerative diseases regain their health"? (Over a 20-year period, that would be nearly 200 per week. How could he receive such reports? How could he check whether they were credible?
• If his research claims were exaggerated, should anyone trust anything else that he said?

那你就别喝水好了，驴不喝水，谁能把你摁倒河里？有没有科学性大家会自己看。

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那你就别喝水好了，驴不喝水，谁能把你摁倒河里？有没有科学性大家会自己看。

冷静一点说话 不然被人笑话
我说的是 “水治病”的断言没有科学依据支持
你却让我不喝水 这是哪儿跟哪儿啊？

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要不你给大家讲讲感冒原因？

普通感冒是病毒感染阿，同气温的关系未被证实：

Exposure to cold weather

Although common colds are seasonal, with more occurring during winter, experiments so far have failed to produce evidence that short-term exposure to cold weather or direct chilling increases susceptibility to infection, implying that the seasonal variation is instead due to a change in behaviors such as increased time spent indoors at close proximity to others.[2][18][19][20][21]
With respect to the causation of cold-like symptoms, researchers at the Common Cold Centre at the Cardiff University[9] conducted a study to "test the hypothesis that acute cooling of the feet causes the onset of common cold symptoms."[22][23][24] The study measured the subjects' self-reported cold symptoms, and belief they had a cold, but not whether an actual respiratory infection developed. It found that a significantly greater number of those subjects chilled developed cold symptoms 4 or 5 days after the chilling. It concludes that the onset of common cold symptoms can be caused by acute chilling of the feet. Some possible explanations were suggested for the symptoms, such as placebo, or constriction of blood vessels, however "further studies are needed to determine the relationship of symptom generation to any respiratory infection."

[老农民]

冷静一点说话 不然被人笑话
我说的是 “水治病”的断言没有科学依据支持
你却让我不喝水 这是哪儿跟哪儿啊？

水治病住要是防患于未然。基本道理至少是告诉大家要多喝水，孩子。
你说无效，那你别喝水，给大家做个对照，所谓的controlled experiments。谢谢

[老农民]

普通感冒是病毒感染阿，同气温的关系未被证实：

Exposure to cold weather

Although common colds are seasonal, with more occurring during winter, experiments so far have failed to produce evidence that short-term exposure to cold weather or direct chilling increases susceptibility to infection, implying that the seasonal variation is instead due to a change in behaviors such as increased time spent indoors at close proximity to others.[2][18][19][20][21]
With respect to the causation of cold-like symptoms, researchers at the Common Cold Centre at the Cardiff University[9] conducted a study to "test the hypothesis that acute cooling of the feet causes the onset of common cold symptoms."[22][23][24] The study measured the subjects' self-reported cold symptoms, and belief they had a cold, but not whether an actual respiratory infection developed. It found that a significantly greater number of those subjects chilled developed cold symptoms 4 or 5 days after the chilling. It concludes that the onset of common cold symptoms can be caused by acute chilling of the feet. Some possible explanations were suggested for the symptoms, such as placebo, or constriction of blood vessels, however "further studies are needed to determine the relationship of symptom generation to any respiratory infection."

普通感冒是由那种病毒引起?不要告诉我流感病毒,那会传染的奥.

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水治病住要是防患于未然。基本道理至少是告诉大家要多喝水，孩子。
你说无效，那你别喝水，给大家做个对照，所谓的controlled experiments。谢谢

呵呵 你这本书里可是说 药不用吃 只要多喝水 几乎啥病都能治啊
你自己看过没有

你如果证实一点，那今后就别吃药光喝水试试看

[老农民]

呵呵 你这本书里可是说 药不用吃 只要多喝水 几乎啥病都能治啊
你自己看过没有

你如果证实一点，那今后就别吃药光喝水试试看

我还是建议你看完了，再讨论。