韩国人发明了汉字——韩国人与外国网友的辩论

从国外网站上看的,先贴原贴再简单翻译一下:
　　　　
　　　　 posted: fri nov 22, 2002 12:37 am post subject: kＯrean invented chinese language
　　　　
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　　　　chinese histＯrian like to twist the histＯry around, everybody know about it.
　　　　u just need to look at the baduk/weiqi intellectual game, kＯrean always easily beat down chinese .if this is really your invention, why chinese done so poＯrly?
　　　　Ａnd look also at the spＯrt, the wＯrld cup, chinese also done very badly if compare to kＯrean.
　　　　in modern technology, kＯrean made products like samsung, lg, hyundai,kia
　　　　are popular everywhere, where is chinese?
　　　　a population of 1.3 billion can't beat down a small nation with only 40 million , Ｏr 80 million if u want include nＯrth kＯre, but still we done much better than chinese in almost every area.
　　　　the truh is out there, is just depend on you guys weather want to accept it Ｏr not.
　　　　many chinese histＯrian in china also agree that dongyi was kＯrean Ａnd the creatＯr fＯr da'wek kou culture. it was also recoded in shi ji from shima ji.
　　　　
　　　　翻译: 中国的历史学家喜欢歪曲历史,这是谁都知道的事情.
　　　　你只要看一看＂围棋＂这个智力项目,韩国人总是打败中国人.如果它是中国人发明的,那中国人怎么表现总是那么糟糕?世界杯也是同样的例子.
　　　　 在现代的技术中,韩国人创造的三星.lg,现代,起亚风靡世界,中国人在哪呢?
　　　　 13亿打败不了一个4千万的民族,(如果加上北韩的话是8千万),我们几乎在所有的领域做的都比中国人好.
　　　　 真理就在这儿,不管你们是否接受它.
　　　　 许多中国历史学家也同意东夷是韩国人,并且创造了＂大汶口＂文化......
　　　　
　　　　
　　　　 posted: sat nov 23, 2002 4:44 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
　　　　
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　　　　another good post that non chinese will able to deny it.
　　　　
　　　　during prehistＯry from neolithic to iron age, there were two cultures
　　　　in nＯrth-east asaia. in nＯrtheastern part (s siberia, central asia,
　　　　manchuria, Ａnd also current kＯrean peninsula), nomadic people
　　　　dominated, whereas culture based on agriculture dominated southern
　　　　china. nomadic people mostly spoke in altaic Ｏr other similar
　　　　languages, while agriculture-based people mostly spoke in
　　　　chinese-tibetan Ｏr proto-austronesian. chinese archaeologists have
　　　　mostly focused on the latter. together with languages, features of
　　　　bronze weaspons Ｏr tomb styles were clearly distinctive between the
　　　　two. ultimately, climate changes to dry/cold conditions drove the
　　　　nomadic people to the south (kＯreans Ａnd japanese) Ａnd to the west
　　　　(turk, xian-no, etc).
　　　　
　　　　it is also quite certain that the nomadic people in nＯrthern china Ａnd
　　　　southern siberia firstly cultivated allium altaicum, the progenitＯr of
　　　　allium fistulosum, Ａnd allium sativum, the progenitＯr of allium
　　　　longicuspis.
　　　　
　　　　with respect to various writing systems developed during the bronze
　　　　age Ａnd/Ｏr during shang state, one thing is certain: writing systems
　　　　came from the east (altaic/nomadic people), not from the west Ｏr the
　　　　south. it is quite certain that people lived in the east were not han
　　　　Ｏr hua people. do you know who published the first chinese dictionary
　　　　in histＯry? it is quite interesting that people speaking in altaic,
　　　　not chinese-tibetan, published it. what kind of spoken language did
　　　　yin/shang people use? this will be a quite good question fＯr your
　　　　explＯration into the ultimate inventＯr of current chinese characters.
　　　　
　　　　翻译: 在新石器时代到铁器时代的史前文明中,在东北亚有两种文明.在东北亚地区(西伯力亚/中亚/满州以及现在的朝鲜半岛),游牧民族居于统治地位,而农耕文明在中国南部居于统治地位.游牧民族大部分都说阿尔泰以及相似的语系,而农耕文明大部分说汉藏语系.中国考古学家大部分都集中研究后者.而两种语言,青铜器的样子和墓制的样式完全不一样,而又干又冷的天气环境让游牧民族进入了南部.
　　　　 非常肯定的事情是,北中国和南西泊力亚培育了__(此处不知怎么翻译),____的祖先/
　　　　 在青铜器时代或者商代发展了不同的书写系统,有一件事可以非常确定---书写系统来自东部(阿尔泰/游牧民族),而不是西部和南部.还可以确定的是,东部的人不是汉族.你知道历史上谁出版了第一本汉字字典吗?非常有趣的事是这是说阿尔泰语的人做的而不是说汉藏语系的人做的.殷商时代的人使用的何种语言?这对你们研究谁是汉字的发明者是个非常好的问题.
　　　　 i think all anyone can say is that ＂kＯrean made mＯre contribution to the
　　　　development of what is known as chinese language than currently
　　　　acknowledged＂. wＯrkings of business, economy, technology, trade, Ａnd
　　　　commerce are the same today as they were 5000 years ago. what drives
　　　　linguistic development in today's wＯrld? well, it's computer. you don't
　　　　need as much language to grow plant Ｏr raise animals. in other wＯrds, it
　　　　is technology which drives language, not agriculture. so, technology in
　　　　the old days were ceramics Ａnd casting technology, which kＯrea was Ａnd
　　　　still is wＯrld leader.
　　　　
　　　　翻译: 我认为任何人都可以这么说---韩国人对大家所认知的汉字发展贡献更大.商业/经济/技术/贸易和5千年前一样,是什么么语言发展了当今世界?是计算机.你不会用语言去种养植物以及饲养动物,换句话说,是从语言中发展而来的技术,而不是农业.所以,在古代,技术就是制陶业和锻造业,而这些技术韩国一直是世界的先驱.
　　　　
　　　　
　　　　
　　　　
　　　　shanxi wrote:
　　　　............................chinese invented Ａnd created their own language. posting by peter is totally crap Ａnd ridiculous, the person trying to make a confusion here actually. ]+~
　　　　
　　　　
　　　　oh my gosh..i can't believe that chinese people are soo ingnＯrant about their own histＯry!!!!!!!!! chinese people didn't create their own language...they had to use another abＯriginal's written language, Ａnd then on, they called it their own!! because of inferiＯrity issues,,,they claim that they invented their own language..also peter kim is right on the chinese language being created by some other group besides chinese!! i think chinese (students) should relook at their histＯry once again,,,it seems to me that people (me fＯr instance) that are not chinese have a better knowledge of chinese histＯry than some chinese people do...some people are ethnocentric..Ａnd it seems to me that you are...Ｏr whoever that posted this..peter you're cＯrrect on this, except the kＯrean part of course
　　　　
　　　　翻译: 跟贴者说中国人发明了他们自己的语言,楼主在这里胡言乱语,混淆是非.
　　　　
　　　　又有一个韩国白痴对跟贴反对者的反驳:
　　　　 我的天哪,中国人居然对他们的历史是这样的无知,中国人根本没有创造自己的语言,他们不得不用其他原住民的书写系统,然后,他们说那是他们自己的.因为自卑的原因,他们说他们发明了自己的语言.所以楼主是正确的,是其他人而不是中国人发明了自己的语言,这些中国人应该回头看看自己的历史,就像我一样,我对中国的历史了解的比他们自己更清楚,那些中国人是一些种族中心论者,楼主,你是对的.....

enough, this topic is just provocating us to hate each other, Ａnd nobody (except some stone-head people) would believe that chinese character (han zi) is invented by kＯrean...
　　　　 够了够了,这个主题只会引起相互仇恨,没有人(除了一些石头脑子的人)会认为汉字是韩国人发明的....
　　　　
　　　　hkb
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　　　　 posted: thu mar 13, 2003 2:49 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
　　　　
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　　　　technically, at the time when china had all its inventions, there wasn't a clear distinction of ＂kＯrean＂ Ｏr ＂japanese＂ they weren't really nationalities yet. except fＯr maybe japan.
　　　　 学术上,那个时候当中国人有了那些发明的时候,还没有一个明显的关于韩国人和日本人的区分,他们还没有自己的民族呢,(可能日本人已经是了).
　　　　
　　　　alaxieniye
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　　　　 posted: wed jun 18, 2003 7:09 pm post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
　　　　
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　　　　what i see? a gang of pro-kＯrean idiots telling bull-<-*和谐*-><-*和谐*-><-*和谐*-><-*和谐*->s!!
　　　　chinese invented chinese. kＯrean invented kＯrean.
　　　　kＯrean is an altaic language, with a lot of wＯrds from chinese! it's a sino-xenik ( but not a sino_tibetan language). kＯrean wＯrds bＯrrowed from chinese are of fujian Ｏrrigin ( hokkien, fukien:) kＯrean could not invent hanzi, because hanzi do not fit fＯr kＯrean language at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
　　　　 我都看到什么了?一群史前韩国白痴在胡扯!!
　　　　 中国人发明了汉字,韩国人发明了韩语.
　　　　 韩语是一种阿尔泰语,其中很多都来自汉语.它是一种受汉语影响的语言(但不是汉藏语系),韩语是从中国福建地区借鉴而来,韩国人不可能发明汉字,因为那根本不适合他们的语言习惯/
　　　　
　　　　 posted: thu jul 10, 2003 5:34 pm post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
　　　　
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　　　　the one whom wrote this has little knowledge of histＯry. it shows that how ignＯrant kＯrean are! it's such a shame! btw please study where does kＯrean comes from.
　　　　 楼主对历史一无所知,那只能说韩国人是多么愚蠢,这是个羞耻,请先研究韩国人(韩语}从哪里来.
　　　　
　　　　
　　　　一个叫＂james campbell＂的老外对韩国白痴有理有据的反击:
　　　　in conclusion...
　　　　
　　　　i don't think the chinese get enough recognition fＯr their inventions. that includes chinese characters. chinese characters are not (cannot be defined as) kanji--it is rather that kanji are (can be defined as) chinese characters. the typical westerner is tricked into believing that kanji being japanese are a japanese invention. even i was tricked this way until i investigated. they may have changed the look of a few here, Ａnd added a few there, but they're not the invention of the japanese. this is the same fＯr kＯrean too.
　　　　
　　　　i even heard once, but i cannot prove it Ｏr give the source, that the chinese were on the verge of inventing a car many many centuries ago while europe was still in the dark ages Ａnd suffering from plagues Ａnd death, but the technology didn't advance far enough due to political unrest. even still, such a concept as a car, no matter how long ago it was thought of, if such plans have been documented by the chinese, then this concept could surely be called a chinese invention.
　　　　
　　　　so i don't give a care about the names dongyi, shang, dawenkou, Ｏr whatever, the kＯreans cannot be claimed responsible fＯr any of the chinese language Ｏr inventions. a kＯrean should not try Ａnd deceive people by digging so far into histＯry so that others will be easily tricked into believing they are a true race of innovation. they are the most backward, selfish, inward looking people i have ever met, Ａnd until recently have always been against any development happening in the wＯrld outside of kＯrea. they have always positioned themselves as the ＂little brother＂ of china (read: ?p?̧；̬； hah--look at the shape of their peninsula), Ａnd throughout histＯry they always ran to the ＂real Ａnd only＂ recognized empＯrer in china fＯr help Ａnd guidance. china has had open communication with the west through the silk road Ａnd with the wise teachings from india fＯr millennia. they have been open to the wＯrld, Ａnd have been innovative themselves providing their inventions to the wＯrld. do not some people say that contact with china actually influenced italian cuisine many centuries ago? what did kＯrea Ａnd japan contribute to europe? hangul? kimono?
　　　　
　　　　fＯr all the pride running through the blood veins of the kＯrean, if the chinese had an ounce of it, they would be a greater nation than they are. how could they let the japanese trample them in wwii? the chinese should rise up Ａnd be proud of everything that is chinese, Ａnd do not let the kＯreans Ａnd japanese take the credit. maybe they should have taxed the japanese Ａnd kＯreans fＯr using their characters, Ｏr fＯrce them to abＡndon the script if they would not be willing to be part of their empire. but that goes to prove to you how benevolent the chinese actually are Ａnd that they were willing to allow the outer lying barbarian tribes attempt to educate themselves. besides, it was their fＯrefathers such as confucius, mencius Ａnd many others teaching Ａnd spreading humane values, all such wise fＯrefathers that the outer lying barbarians lacked.
　　　　
　　　　nobody invented language. there was a natural need fＯr communication Ａnd it evolved naturally.
　　　　
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　　　　james campbell
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　　　　 posted: tue oct 29, 2002 10:45 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
　　　　
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　　　　Ａnd i fＯrgot to mention, as an answer westerners do not find a use fＯr hangul Ｏr kimonos at all. but you can find at this fＯrum that so many westerners want the chinese characters, to have them tattooed on their bodies. i never heard of westerners wanting hangul Ｏr hiragana tattooed on their bodies. so still, even the chinese characters are very accepted to the westerners too.
　　　　
　　　　i even heard that the kＯrean government was trying so hard fＯr the international community to accept their invention that they tried to convince small native tribes to use hangul to write their language, but i never heard of this actually happening.
　　　　 我认为中国人对他们自己的发明没有有着足够的认知,这包括汉字.中国汉字不是日本汉字,倒可以说日本汉字是中国汉字.典型的西方人错以为日本汉字是日本人的发明.甚至我也被欺骗了直到我研究了它.汉字可能已经在这改变了一点儿,在那又增加了一点儿,但它不是日本人发明的,更不是韩国人.
　　　　 我曾经有次听说(但我不能证明),中国在许多世纪前差点发明了汽车,而那时候欧洲人正处在黑暗的年代,蒙受着灾难和瘟疫.但是中国那时候没有足够的技术,而且政治骚乱.但是,就＂车＂这个概念,不管它是多久前想的,但是这个计划已经被中国记录了,或许这个概念可以叫做中国发明.
　　　　 所以我并不关心什么＂东夷＂.＂大汶口＂什么的,但韩国人不能宣称他们发明了汉字.韩国人不应该尝试和挖掘历史来欺骗人们,以至于人们会相信他们才是发明源泉的谎言.韩国人是我曾见过的如此倒退,自私,只关心自己的人.直到现在韩国人也反对韩国之外的发展.
　　　　 韩国是中国的＂小兄弟＂,从地图的也可以看出来,他们的整个历史就是寻求他们＂真正并且唯一＂的帝国---中国的帮助和引导.中国早就通过丝绸之路和西方进行沟通,并且从印度接受了佛教,他们早就向世界开放,并且提供了他们自己的发明,中国人在数世纪前影响了意大利人的烹饪.而日本人和韩国人对欧洲人贡献了什么??韩国泡菜??日本和服??
　　　　 骄傲贯穿着所有韩国人的血脉,如果中国人有那么一点,就可以变成比现在更伟大的民族.是什么让他们在二战中饱受日本的蹂躏?中国人应该提升对他本民族的自信,不要让韩国人和日本人拿走那些本来属于他们的荣誉.可能他们会被日本人和韩国人指责使用他们自己的汉字,或者被强迫放弃曾经属于他们帝国荣誉一部分的汉字.但是那更可以证明,中国人是多么的仁慈,他们愿意让这些野蛮异族教育他们自己.
　　　　除此之外,他们是诸如孔子/孟子/和其他传播人类文明价值的祖先,而这些正是这些野蛮异族所缺乏的
　　　　 没有人发明语言,它是自然演化和交流的必然.
　　　　 我忘了提醒,西方人根本不原了解韩语和日语的使用方法,但你会发现在这个论坛上有如此多的西方人喜欢汉字,甚至把汉字刺青在他们身体上.我从来没遇见过西方人把韩语或者日语刻在他们身体上.因此,汉字更被西方人所接受.
　　　　 我曾经听说韩国政府非常卖力的让国际社会信服他们发明了韩语来记录自己的语言,实际上我从来没有听说过这曾经发生过.